Eggless Pancakes: In my early years of blogging, despite my diverse array of eggless cakes, cookies, muffins, and other baked goods, I hadn't ventured into making eggless pancakes.
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Growing up in India, pancakes weren't a staple in my culinary repertoire, nor were they something I had much exposure to. Consequently, I didn't feel the urgency to explore pancake recipes without eggs or document them on my blog.
However, when my then three-year-old was introduced to pancakes through school and friends, I sought a quick solution. I turned to a store-bought pancake mix and added mashed bananas to make eggless pancakes for him.
It wasn't until nearly three years into my blogging journey that my husband's consistent encouragement led me to experiment with homemade eggless pancakes.
I scoured various eggless pancake recipes, trying and testing several, until I found what I believed to be the ultimate eggless pancake recipe. Drawing from the best elements of each recipe and discarding what didn't quite work, I crafted what became, unexpectedly, the most sought-after recipe on my blog.
After fifteen years of blogging, this no-egg pancake recipe stands as the highlight of my career. With over two thousand comments and feedback, it's not just a recipe; it's a beloved staple in many households.
This easy pancake recipe without eggs has fostered a community of positivity, conversation, and shared culinary experiences—a testament to the power of simple, home-cooked meals in bringing people together.
Indeed, while it's true that the recipe isn't immune to criticism, the overwhelming majority of feedback has been positive. One of the most touching aspects has been the loyalty of my readers, who often jump in to defend the recipe in the comment section. It's a heartwarming reminder of the strong emotional connection that food can evoke.
Why this recipe works?
For those new to my blog who are considering trying this eggless pancake recipe, I can confidently say that after over a decade of refining it, I now make it almost every 2-3 weekends, and it turns out perfectly each time.
I've experimented with countless variations, substituting flours, dairy with non-dairy alternatives, and playing with add-ons like blueberries, chocolate chips, and nuts.
The result?
Every iteration has been phenomenal, proving the versatility and reliability of this eggless pancake recipe.
So, for anyone hesitant to dive into the world of eggless pancakes, I encourage you to give this recipe a try. I'm confident it will become a cherished staple in your household, just as it has in mine and in the homes of countless readers.
Furthermore, it's essential to highlight how simple this recipe is, as it uses very basic ingredients. With no fancy ingredients or equipment, you'll need just flour, baking powder, butter, oil, and sugar to create these airy, fluffy, light, pillow-like pancakes. The trick lies in measuring, mixing, and getting the pan just hot enough.
This updated post for the eggless pancake recipe aims to be as extensive and informative as possible to eliminate any shortcomings. I've tried to answer as many questions as possible to make the recipe clearer, aiming for a 100% positive outcome for everyone who tries it.
Taste & Texture
The taste and texture of these eggless pancakes are remarkably like those made with eggs. They are light, airy, and fluffy, much like traditional pancakes. Many readers who typically use eggs in their cooking and make pancakes with eggs have attested to this similarity.
These eggless pancakes are intentionally very mildly sweet. The recipe is not designed to create a sweet pancake but rather to serve as a basic eggless pancake recipe that can be easily customized. It's a canvas for creating both sweet and savory pancakes to suit individual preferences.
This versatility allows for endless possibilities, making it possible to add flavors and add-ons of one's choice to make the pancakes unique. Whether you prefer a classic pancake with syrup or something more adventurous like blueberry pancakes or savory options like cheese and herb pancakes, this recipe can be tailored to your liking, making it perfect for any occasion or craving.
Readers Feedback
Beth said: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thank you for sharing this recipe! The pancakes are fantastic! I doubled the recipe & used a ¼ cup ice cream scooper to measure out for cooking. It made 10 medium sized pancakes. I also added dried blueberries & honey glazed pecans…I measured those with my heart ❤️
Amy said: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
They really are the best. This is a staple recipe in my house. I can’t eat eggs, so I make this for me/my family and they do not notice the difference and beg me to make these pancakes! Thank you
Seagirl said: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
It is absolutely delirious how good these are! As a baker, I am kind of stuck on eggs and buttermilk…but listen…these pancakes are the bomb Dotcom. Try them exactly as the recipe instructs and you will be so happy you did. An aside re: some of the comments on doubling the recipe: Doubling recipes with baking ingredients is trial and error so you have to experiment until you find the measurements that work or make the recipe exact but separately. Thanks so much Madhuram – these are in my forever pancake recipe arsenal now! Happiest holidays to all!
Joann said: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Wow! These were awesome. I’m in the UK so used Self Raising Flour and left out the baking powder and all measurements otherwise the same. I was surprised to see these poof up lovely almost instantly. Cooked them slowly as recommended (used a 6 on my induction). I used the oil to cook and left out the butter – so mine weren’t too brown too soon, turned the hob up to 8 at the end to quickly brown both sides. (Was tempted to add the butter at the end for extra flavour – but served with maple syrup and cream so probably not needed – lol)
Thank you for sharing – you saved my morning, having promised pancakes only to realise I had no eggs!!!
Oh, and DH says he actually prefers these to my usual ones with egg.
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Ingredients and Substitutes
- All-Purpose Flour: The use of all-purpose flour in this eggless pancake recipe is key if you want to mimic the exact taste and texture of pancakes made with eggs. It serves as the base of the pancake batter, providing the necessary structure and texture for the pancakes. The gluten content in all-purpose flour helps give the pancakes their soft, fluffy texture. That being said, I have made the very same recipe with whole wheat pastry flour for pancakes with a similar texture. This is because whole wheat pastry flour is made from soft wheat. However, if you use whole wheat flour, the taste and texture will vary depending on the brand you are using, due to the type of wheat used. I have not tried this recipe with self-rising flour but have seen a comment that it works but have to omit the baking powder from the recipe. I cannot vouch for it without trying it myself. For more details about the use of other flours please check the FAQ section below.
- Baking powder: Baking powder is a leavening agent that helps the pancakes rise and become light and airy. It reacts with the liquids in the batter to produce carbon dioxide bubbles, which create the pancake's characteristic texture. Make sure that it is of the best quality and not expired. Do not use baking powder and baking soda interchangeably. It doesn’t work always. In some cases, baking powder can be substituted with baking soda and vinegar but I haven’t tried it in this eggless pancake recipe.
- Sugar: Very little sugar is used in this recipe making it perfect to have these eggless pancakes as a savory or sweet dish. If you want to have it as a sweet breakfast top it with maple syrup, fruits and jelly to suit your taste. Sugar also plays a role in browning the pancakes as they cook, contributing to their golden color and caramelized taste.
- Ground cinnamon and Vanilla extract: These add a warm, sweet and aromatic flavor to the pancakes, enhancing their overall taste. One can play with the quantity of the spice and extract or omit which you are not particular about.
- Butter: Butter adds richness and flavor to the pancakes, making them more indulgent and satisfying. It also helps create a crisp, golden crust on the pancakes as they cook, adding to their overall texture. You can replace this with oil too if you want to make vegan pancakes.
- Oil: Oil helps prevent the pancakes from sticking to the pan as they cook, ensuring that they are easy to flip and remove. It also contributes to the pancakes' moistness and tenderness, helping them stay soft and fluffy.
Step-by-Step Instructions
Here are the step-by-step pictorial instructions on how to make delicious pancakes without eggs.
1. Whisk together the dry ingredients.
2. In a liquid measuring mug, measure 1 cup milk. To that add the vegetable oil, water and vanilla extract.
3. Stir in the wet ingredients to the dry ingredients. Do not over-mix.
4. Lumps are perfectly fine. Set aside for a couple of minutes.
5. Heat a griddle at medium-high heat. Once the pan is hot add the butter and let it melt.
6. Add the melted butter to the pancake batter and return the pan to the stove. Mix the butter into the batter.
7. Batter is ready. Leave it for 2 minutes.
8. When the pan is hot enough, pour a ladleful of batter on the pan for each pancake.
9. Cook until bubbles appear on the face of the pancake. Carefully flip the pancake and cook until its golden brown.
10. Egg-free pancakes are ready!
Recipe FAQs
Yes, you can! Simply substitute the all-purpose flour with a gluten-free flour blend. I have had success with Bob’s Red Mill gluten-free all-purpose flour mix. You may need to adjust the amount of liquid in the recipe, so start with less and gradually add more until you reach the desired consistency. But do not attempt this recipe by simply replacing the all-purpose flour with a gluten-free grain flour or almond flour or coconut flour because it does not work.
Yes, you can! Use dairy-free milk. You can also use vegan butter or margarine instead of the melted butter or replace that with oil too.
Yes, you can prepare the pancake batter ahead of time and refrigerate it for up to 2 days. This allows you to enjoy freshly cooked pancakes without the hassle of preparing the batter in the morning. Simply let the batter come to room temperature for about 10-15 minutes before cooking. Sometimes you might also need to add a little water/milk to get the right consistency.
Yes, you can make the pancakes and store them in an airtight container in the refrigerator for up to 3 days. Reheat them in the microwave or in a toaster before serving.
Absolutely! Place them in a single layer on a baking sheet, cover it with plastic wrap and freeze until solid. Then, transfer them to a resealable plastic bag and store them in the freezer for up to 2 months. To reheat, microwave them or bake them in the oven at 350°F (175°C) for 10-15 minutes.
Even though I have not tried it yet, I have seen a couple of comments where few readers have done it, and it has worked. I will update here when I make baked pancakes.
Doubling recipes is tricky to do while baking and in recipes that involve leavening agents. Unless you try it, you cannot tell if it will work. Fortunately, I have tried it with this pancake recipe, which works. That being said, I have never ventured more than doubling the recipe. If I remember right, I didn't even double the recipe immediately. First, I did one and a half measurements, and when I saw it worked, I doubled it. Maybe you can follow that, too.
Recipe
Eggless Pancakes Recipe
Ingredients
- 1 Cup All Purpose Flour
- 1 Teaspoon Sugar
- ¼ Teaspoon Ground Cinnamon
- 2 Teaspoons Baking Powder
- ¼ Teaspoon Salt
- 1 Cup Milk (I Used 2%)
- 1 Tablespoon Vegetable Oil
- 1 Tablespoon Water
- 1 Teaspoon Vanilla Extract
- 2 Tablespoons Butter
Instructions
- Whisk together the dry ingredients.
- In a liquid measuring mug, measure 1 cup milk. To that add the vegetable oil, water and vanilla extract.
- Stir in the wet ingredients to the dry ingredients. Do not over-mix. Lumps are perfectly fine. Set aside for a couple of minutes.
- Heat a griddle at medium-high heat. Once the pan is hot add the butter and let it melt.
- Add the melted butter to the pancake batter and return the pan to the stove. Mix the butter into the batter.
- When the pan is hot enough, pour a ladleful of batter on the pan for each pancake. Cook until bubbles appear on the face of the pancake.
- Carefully flip the pancake and cook until its golden brown.
My Notes
- The pan should not be over-heated or else the pancakes will blacken. To get that nice golden color I usually have the knob at 4.
- I added a couple of blueberries to the batter. You can add about ½ a cup of nuts, fruits or chocolate chips for this measurement.
Taste & Texture
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Laura N Grunert says
Came across this recipe this morning as I was craving pancakes but out of eggs. I was quite astonished by how light, fluffy and soft they came out. I added a couple of extra tablespoons of flour as the batter looked just a tad runny, but otherwise followed the recipe to the letter. As you mentioned they are not very sweet on their own, but with butter and maple syrup they are perfect!
Madhuram says
Thank you, Laura.
Rena says
My son's friend came to stay over and he's allergic to eggs so I needed an egg-less recipe. This did not disappoint! They did come out fluffy and moist. I doubled the recipe and the only thing I did different was melt the butter in the microwave instead of the pan before incorporating it into the batter.
I added chocolate chips and my kids don't usually prefer it with syrup and it tasted great! Thanks for the recipe!
Thanks so much!
Madhuram says
You're most welcome, Rena.
Kerry says
Would these still work if I don't have baking powder? As in would I still get pancakes but just not fluffy risen ones but flat ones instead?
Madhuram says
Yes, without baking powder you might end up getting flat crepe-like thingies, I guess.
Mari says
Very good. I would recommend unsalted butter or else reduce the salt in the dry ingredients (perhaps obvious but not to inexperienced cooks like me). I started with a normal recipe and then realized I had no eggs so I had to improvise. This was perfect but I had already added baking soda to dry mix so I ended with 1.5 ts baking powder and 0.5 ts baking soda and it worked fine! Not sure what difference is between baking powder and soda anyway (inexperienced chef here)
Madhuram says
Thank you very much, Mari.
Pamcan says
Hi,
These are very good and you do not miss the eggs. This recipe is first rate. I would like to add that if someone lives in a high humidity area, where leavening tends to fail quickly(you buy it but it loses its strength on the shelf), adding a pinch to a 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda to the flour mixture and a teaspoon of acid (like vinegar) to the milk ensures a good rise from even poorly responsive leavening. I would hate for anyone to miss the goodness of this recipe because of weak baking powder! Really awesome pancakes!
Madhuram says
Thank you so much for the awesome tip, Pacman.
Gaby says
I was searching for an eggless pancake recipe and came upon this one. When I saw the line, “these are the best eggless pancakes you will ever taste“ I decided to try them.
I must admit that my children loved these pancakes. They came out fluffy and was delicious!
I think I will not be buying the box mix again .
Thank you so much for this recipe
Madhuram says
You're very welcome, Gaby. Thank you for taking the time to leave your valuable feedback.
Lindsay says
I almost didn’t try the recipe because of how negative the author was toward pancakes. How I read it was “I don’t like pancakes, haven’t had regular pancakes in years, but these seem fine. Couple people liked the recipe.” But glad I did. They were good, and my child who has autism didn’t mind the change. I didn’t add the cinnamon, and added extra sugar.
Madhuram says
Mm...I guess it all depends on how we read it or maybe I wasn't clear in articulating. What I meant was I haven't tasted regular pancakes (with eggs) at all not because I had an aversion or anything but because we didn't get a chance to taste one. Because we didn't use eggs at home I was trying something with pancake mix and when I tried this recipe I didn't have a yardstick to compare how these fared against the regular pancakes. Thanks for taking the time to leave your feedback, Lindsay. I will be more careful about how I articulate going forward.
Anel says
I was sceptical, but it was super yummy and the kids loved it!
Madhuram says
Thank you, Anel.
Sapir says
Perfect!! Made it to my egg allergic baby and she (and us) loved it!!Thank you!
Madhuram says
You're welcome, Sapir.
Annie says
Love this recipe! Easily made and very tasty topped with berries and ricotta. The perfect weekend breakfast for my sweet tooth while still being healthy.
Madhuram says
Thank you very much, Annie.
Mer says
Thank you so much for sharing this recipe! We were gonna buy some pancake mix from Costco this weekend, but had to stay home. My daughter was craving for pancakes and I found your recipe! My picky daughter loves it!!! I ran out of vanilla and just added a pinch of cinnamon because of my daughter, but she loves the taste of cinnamon in these pancakes and she said it reminded her of Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal. This is a keeper! Goodbye pancake mix!
Madhuram says
Wow! Thank you so much for the wonderful comment, Mer.
Chithra says
Absolutely yummy. No changes made to the recipe. My kids loved it with a bit of honey.
Madhuram says
Thank you for the feedback, Chithra.
Desiree says
Hello, I’ve been making these pancakes for several years. They are perfect! I never leave reviews but I want to thank you for sharing an amazing recipe. No one in my family has an allergy to eggs, but these eggless pancakes are amazing and my preferred go-to recipe. You could haven chosen to keep this recipe only with your family and friends. But because of your kindness and generosity, you shared it. Thank you my very much!
Madhuram says
Aww! Thank you very much, Desiree. You made my day with your lovely comment.
GP says
Absolutely yummy! We ran out of eggs on a snow day and this recipe was a life savor!!
Madhuram says
Thank you, GP.
Debra says
Sounds great, can I bake this in the oven in a 8x8 pan? Have found another bake your pancake recipe, it has eggs, I don’t have this weekend, snowed in. I just found baking pancakes in a pan, they came out great, sprinkled blueberry’s on top before baking. Don’t have those now either.
Madhuram says
I have not tried it, Debra, so unable to comment. Sorry about that.
Mila says
Can I use olive oil instead of vegetable oil? Thank you.
Madhuram says
EVOO might have a distinct flavor and smell which might not sit well with pancakes. If it's refined olive oil which is stripped off the smell it should be fine.
Melissa says
Perfect recipe! Made it one morning when I didn't have eggs and now use this recipe every time I make pancakes. I often add chocolate chips for a sweeter pancake. I have used both almond and oak milk and the pancakes turn out well each time.
Madhuram says
That's awesome, Melissa. Haven't tried this recipe with oat milk yet. Thank you for the feedback.
Cshoffman says
Made these this morning with almond flour. The batter was much too runny. First 2 cakes were a flop. I added more flour to the batter for the right consistency. The next tasted delicious but didn’t look their best. Maybe I had old baking powder since I rarely cook from scratch. Any idea what the proportions are for almond flour?
Madhuram says
This recipe doesn't work with almond flour, unfortunately. I have tried twice altering measurements and it was a huge disaster and so I gave up trying. Gluten-free and egg-free is very tricky to get it right.
Phyllisienne Borg says
I woke up this morning craving pancakes only to find I did not have a single egg in the fridge so I gave this recipe a try... they're delicious, even better than my usual pancake recipe. I'll definitely do these again and again. Thank you!
Madhuram says
You're very welcome. Thank you for taking the time to leave your valuable feedback.
Lisa Sivertsen says
I made these and they taste awsome I added a little suger free maple syrup wow the brand I use is Rx Sugar organic pancake syrup my diabetic loves this syrup and your pancakes thank you.
Madhuram says
You're very welcome, Lisa.
Nastassja says
Fantastic! I used coconut oil instead of butter because that's all I had. Fyi if you pour liquid coconut oil into milk please be smarter than me and warm up the milk first so the oil doesn't clump! The taste of the pancakes was unparalleled! I bet it would be just as good vegan if you sub coconut milk for regular milk, I will try that next time! Also thank you for listing the ingredients in order from dry to wet, it makes things so much easier when you don't have to scroll through the recipe to try and pick out the dry ingredients first!
Paula Stern says
OMG, it worked! Came on vacation. Husband still sleeping. Had planned to make my pancakes, so had everything but eggs (which we planned to buy today). They're amazing. Light, delicious. I also didn't have vanilla but I had vanilla milk that my husband puts in his coffee. Thank you!! These are simply delicious and brilliant!
Madhuram says
You're most welcome, Paula. I'm so happy that you like it.
blahblahblacksheep says
AMAZING!. this cooked better than a lot of the pancake recipes out there– i’m talking about the ones with egg! Added some chocolate coins that we had left over from hanukkah, and some grounded up flax seeds, and nutmeg, probably could’ve added more sugar but then the pancakes would burn easily, also substituted water for milk. Also super FLUFFY, it got that flap jack “tree-ring” appearance and those pores of small air pockets on the top, but only after I upped the heat to notch 5. At the beginning, some pancakes did not appear as appetizing as the ones that were cooked at the end (lol i guess the heat was too low on 4 for my oven); smooth crunchy crust, no colour, and took forever to brown. That being said, this is now my go to recipe, I don’t know why I rely on eggs for every baked good I make, eggless pancakes are fine on their own, I learned from the website EgglessCooking, THANK YOU!
Madhuram says
Wow! That's a detailed feedback. I sincerely appreciate your time and gesture to leave a comment. Thank you very much.
Belinda Eileen Green de Rubio says
I made this gluten free and it was brilliant! Great recipe.
Madhuram says
Thank you very much, Belinda.
Hanna says
What substitute can be used for the milk. My 9 months old doesn’t drink milk yet, but he is allergic to eggs. Thank you
Madhuram says
You can use non-dairy milk if he can tolerate it.
Hanna says
Can these eggless pancakes be frozen? TY
Madhuram says
Yes, it can be, Hanna.
Eve says
Tasted like baking powder! Spat out by daughter so disappointed- maybe the cup to baking powder ratio is off
Daniella Burgess says
Followed the recipe to a T and what came out was like hot dough.
Aidann GreenWolfe says
These were amazing pancakes! Great recipe.
I tried them using 1/2 whole wheat flour and 1/2 all-purpose. Delicious!
Madhuram says
Thank you very much for the feedback, Aidann.
somebody says
Turned out nice. I substituted water with yogurt whey and added a handful of frozen blueberries.
Madhuram says
That's awesome!
Yvonne says
My daughter and I whipped these up this morning for breakfast. We added cocoa powder to them, about a tbsp. Quite delicious. I think I would add a little bit more sugar next time, though.
Madhuram says
Thank you for the feedback, Yvonne. Yes, you might have to add more sugar if using cocoa powder to offset some of the bitterness.
Diane says
Went to make pancakes and didn't have any eggs and found your recipe. These were great! Couldn't tell that there weren't any eggs in the mix and didn't use any syrup with them as we mix in chocolate chips. Will definitely make these again!!
Madhuram says
Thank you very much for the feedback, Diane.
Bonnie A says
This is my go to recipe for pancakes for the past 3 years when first stumbled upon your recipe! It is easy to make, it’s light and fluffy. Perfect every time! The batter doesn’t need to be sweet cause we use maple syrup to dip it in. Thank you so much for sharing this. My picky eater loves it!
Madhuram says
You're very welcome, Bonnie. Thank you for the feedback.
Yolanda says
Followed directions and got delicious results. Be sure to sift and don't overmix. I used a hand whip, not the Kitchen Aid. I really couldn't tell that they were egg free! Definitely had a crepe-meets-pancake texture, which I prefer.
Madhuram says
Thank you for the feedback, Yolanda.
Rachelle says
To be honest I didn't think these were that great. They were alright in a pinch but I wasn't a huge fan of the cinnamon and the lack of sweetness. It just kinda tasted like eating cinnamon and flour. We even added chocolate chips to some of them but it didn't really help. I think if I made these again I would up the sugar and omit the cinnamon.
Elaine C says
These were easy and delicious and fluffy! Our three year old grandson “helped”!
Madhuram says
Thank you, Elaine.
K says
Didn’t work for me and I’m surprised since everyone else seems to love it and I’m a pretty experienced cook/baker. Batter was watery and lumpy and the cooked pancake was flat and chewy, not light and fluffy. Oh well
Nekeisha says
I made these for my 7 year old, who is picky. I didn’t have any sugar on hand (I know lol) and he loved them. Next time I won’t bother adding the sugar. I did find it to be thick, so I added more milk.
Madhuram says
Thank you for the feedback, Nekeisha.
Ku龜--ê。Tâibûn台文。 says
I'm glad to see eggless pancake out there, gonna do it next time 0.0
（Had been doing pancake stuff since high school... now tired of eggs.
B says
turned out chewy and doughy not fluffy 🙁
Madhuram says
Sorry that it didn't turn out well for you.
Jade says
This one is a winner!
I’ve tried countless other eggless pancake recipes (my little girl is allergic to eggs) and this is by far the most successful! Thanks for making our Sunday brunch!
Madhuram says
Thank you very much for the feedback, Jade.
Alaa says
One day I woke up and wanted pancakes but didn't have any eggs so I came across this recipe and it was the best pancakes we've ever eaten so I've made pancakes like this ever since. Very very delicious and easy to make. Thank you for this recipe
Madhuram says
You're welcome, Alaa.
Trish says
Wow, wow, wow, light and fluffy, very impressed with this recipe. I used goats butter and milk as I suffered with migraine from cow milk products.
Madhuram says
Thank you for the feedback, Trish. Great to know that you were able to incorporate goat's butter and milk to this recipe.
Terry says
Could you add one ripe banana for sweetness or would this ruin the outcome?
Madhuram says
It might not be the exact same as the one without the bananas. The texture might vary a bit but I don't think it would ruin.
Aradhana says
Just made these pancakes now...light & airy..definitely a winning recipe!
Madhuram says
Thank you for the feedback, Aradhana.
Kalia says
My son can't have eggs and regular milk. So thank you for this recipe! I substitute milk to lactaid milk instead and still turn out fluffy and soooo good!
Madhuram says
You're welcome, Kalia.
Jeanine says
Absolutely delicious!. My fussy kids LOVE THEM. Thought my pancake recipe was the ultimate but having to emit eggs from our diet, I found this recipe. These really are next level!
Madhuram says
Thank you very much, Jeanine.
Shivani says
Love this recipe! Thank you!
Madhuram says
You're welcome, Shivani.
Treatme Glutenfree says
I am very happy to see this post because it really a nice post. Thanks
gary says
i half the recipe makes 4 4in best eggless pancake is not a lie
thanks for a great recipe
gary
Madhuram says
Thank you for the feedback, Gary.